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Thread #108397   Message #2255805
Posted By: GUEST,Guest
07-Feb-08 - 07:45 AM
Thread Name: BS: Primaries
Subject: RE: BS: Primaries
Look people, I'm not the one to argue against, I won't vote for either Obama or Hilary. And I'm not saying I'm right about anything--in fact I've said repeatedly I could be wrong about my assessment of the situation.

But I did spend a lot of years working for the Democrats and their party, I pay attention to politics, and I listen to what people who hold different opinions to me say.

There is a real echo chamber effect here at Mudcat, where the vast majority of posters are not only vehemently anti-Bush to the point they believe all Republicans are evil--not just bad politicians, but evil (which I don't agree with), but they are also highly partisan Democrats that follow the Democratic party establishment, and tend not to think very independently. I get the same reaction in my work place, which is a similar sort of demographic to Mudcat, except the racial makeup there is roughly half African American and Asian American, and about 3/4 women.

Some people I spoke with this week, when asking me who I was going to caucus for, became angry when I told them I was an independent and didn't caucus. They insisted I could caucus if I wanted to, and why wasn't I going to caucus? I explained to them I don't caucus because I don't wish to participate in party politics. That upset them too.

People are really pressured to conform to the two party system.

Now, that said, please believe I have no investment emotionally, as many of you and my work colleagues have, in who wins the Democratic nomination. I am simply making observations based upon my personal experience and knowledge like everyone else.

But because I have not participated in party politics or been invested in "my party's candidate" or "the lesser of two evils" voting choices for two decades now, my way of thinking and perceiving the political landscape doesn't reflect a conventional Democrat or even the mindset of a voter who has been opposed to the Republican side more than the Democratic side on the issues.

And look, I'm really sorry your boy didn't have a landslide victory the way some thought he would, and I'm really sorry you haven't figured out yet that the Democratic Leadership Council, along with Big Money and Big Media are backing Obama. While at one time, Clinton was the establishment candidate with all those things behind her, the one and only reason why Obama is being touted as having The Big Mo, is because the DLC (Kennedy, Kerry, Daschle, et al), Big Money and Big Media are handing it to Obama.

Now that is quite an interesting shift in the political landscape. There are a lot of Somebodies (we don't know who, but the way the endorsements by members of the DLC in the past month revealed all) have decided, for whatever reason, they don't want Clinton.

This is a huge shift of the power at the top of the Democratic party, and I think it is because the Clintons had been amassing more power than some traditionally "most powerful" players in the Democratic party. And that their legacy would overshadow the Camelot/Kennedy legacy. Hence the Kennedy full court press.

I don't think, at the top of the party, it is about Clinton being a woman. I think it is about the Clintons amassing more power than the DLC wants to give them.

As to the Big Money, that had been going to Clinton for years, and now has suddenly shifted to Obama. That, I don't think has anything to do with race or gender. I think it has to do with who is the more conservative politically of the two (Obama), and who is easiest to manipulate (again, Obama as he doesn't have the depth and breadth of power and connections nationally and internationally that Clinton does).

Finally, Big Media hates Clinton, always has, and the coverage of her is prejudiced in the same way it was against Kucinich and Edwards, and Huckabee on the Republican side. But in the case of Big Media, it is about sexism, and fighting very hard to keep a woman out of the White House, IMO. There are other factors, but it is mainly that one.

My analysis, which has been forced to shift and change as the establishment moved it's might to back Obama over Clinton, is really very recent, as are the developments in the race.