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Thread #83878 Message #2310711
Posted By: GUEST
08-Apr-08 - 08:43 PM
Thread Name: Origins: Mattie Groves - What year?
Subject: RE: Mattie Groves - What year?
Bunnahabhain-- No one answered your question in as many words, so:
The lead-in is when Groves & Lady Whosis first meet in the church and she invites him home.
He:
"I cannot go, I dare not go; I fear 'twould cost my life,
For I see by the little ring you wear, you are Lord Arlen's [?] wife;
You're the great Lord Arlen's wife."
She:
"This may be false, this may be true; I can't deny it all,
But Arlen's gone to consecrate ... King Henry at Whitehall,
King Henry at Whitehall."
FWIW, at the U. of Oregon c.1968 I went to a session in the Anthro Dept., I think, with a folklorist named Barry Tolkein. He insisted that Baez had pirated a bunch of ballad lyrics from him, I think including this one. Which is neither here nor there and doesn't help pin down the song.
My guess would be that if a real event were meant, it would refer to the coronation of either Henry VII in 1485 or Henry VIII in 1509. I have no idea if either event took place at Whitehall.
Chicken Charlie