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Thread #21447   Message #231769
Posted By: GUEST,Mrr
22-May-00 - 10:32 AM
Thread Name: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music?
Subject: RE: BS: Godless 'hymns' or Atheism Church Music?
Davewilkes, I was seeking beautiful music celebrating atheism, by which I did mean the belief that there is no god, not a life without god, which I would call secular. If atheism isn't the term for a belief in there being no god(s), what is? And that is a serious question; I keep running into atheism meaning secularism to people, and am looking for a term that is neutral in connotation (to wit, not ANTI-theistic) for people who really do believe that there is no god - they are thus not agnostic, so what do theologians call them?
And, Lonesome EJ, perhaps this will explain ACClarke's logic: where you say "To give food to the starving from our own larder does no one ill, while certainly doing good. To murder a fellow human being out of jealousy or anger does evil with no resultant good." - I must beg to differ. Instead, I agree that the CONTEXT in which you are acting can be paramount. For example: American soldiers liberating the concentration camps killed literally hundreds of survivors by giving them fortified K-rations and chocolate, whereas the British, less soft-hearted, refused them rich food till their systems could handle it. In this example, giving food to the starving from our larder did them a grave ill - it killed the starving who'd managed to survive the Nazis. By the same token, capital punishment can be viewed as murdering a fellow human being out of anger, but I'm not sure that (to those who support capital punishment) it does no resultant good. In many cultures, killing someone for committing a crime is seen as resulting in good for the rest of society, even if that killing is done in the heat of passion, in anger at the crime already committed.