This isn't a thread where I'm going to tell people to vote for Nader, so get over yourselves.

The question I'm asking all of you here is, to what lengths should the American citizen be going to STOP the war. End it.

It can and must be done, and it can and must be done quickly.

It is clear it will end no better than the Vietnam war ended. Or the Korean war.

I couldn't agree more with Little Hawk when he says--wait a minute--there were PLENTY of responsible people who NEVER bought the WMD stories, including the vast majority of governments on the planet, the UN, and the international weapons inspection teams that had been monitoring Iraq for years.

Or do you all forget that part? That those of you who are now offering lame excuses for why the Democrats support the war because you don't, but don't know what else to do because they are your team...

See, that's the thing. They are YOUR team (most of you), so you rationalize away the war, the destruction, the lies, the torture--all so you can keep voting for your team.

Which is why we have this war to begin with--all of you keep supporting the warmakers, by refusing to think outside the conventional party line boxes drawn for you.