Doc John, I very much doubt your first sentence - nobody was born before me. I think I saw Cisco, but I wasn't as aware of the singers then. Saw some magnificent jazz at the Cavern; Colyer, Barber, Welch, Lightfoot - weren't we spoiled? I saw Rambling Jack Elliot at The Bluecoat Chambers and Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee at Jackie and Bridie's club - I think that these were the highlights of the 25 years I lived there. My father used to tell the story of of us riding on a bus past Everton's football ground and I pointed to the stand and asked what it was. The man in the seat behind tapped him on the shoulder and said "Ey lar, are you bringing up a ******* atheist!" Jim Carroll