"They will turn a horse into a camel." Can't wait to use that line. Nice one!

I like Banjiman's sort of Englishness. Inclusive and not too hung up on petty rules. This has nothing to do with spurious notions of political correctness (the retort that's normally thrown at those in favour of an inclusive approach) and everything to do with the realities of the England that actually exists around us now. The England that has come about as a result of centuries of invasion, immigration, assimilation, exposure to new ideas... you know, the one that's constantly changing, evolving, throwing up new challenges.

So much better than some static fantasyland (that probably never existed outside of the feverish imaginations of Victorian nationalists) where nothing ever changes and people who put store by such things can decide this is English; this isn't; this is English; this isn't; yadda yadda yadda.

And can I congratulate Wendy A on winning at Saltburn? The Visitor is a mighty fine song.

Before you say anything, Richard Bridge, WAV, etc: I'm not anti-English. Just anti nationalist bullshit, as I hopefully would be if I was Welsh, Scottish, Irish or anything elseish.

Humanist, mainly.