WAV, so what, I didn't ask you, and the cittern is last instrument in the world I'll be learning to play ( I prefer more adventurous instruments, as I've already noted), I don't care how English you claim it is, and all this nonsense about barber shops and such like is just that, nonsense, and the songs, you're the only one who seems to be interested. Another thing you don't have is a bloody sense of humour. irishenglish, Phil Edwards and myself were having a bit of fun, to liven up this thread. By the way, the so-called English guitar was of German origin, as has already been noted, I believe.