Amos, you and your fellow travellers seem to think that getting your troops out of Iraq will be something akin to a football team walking of the pitch at the end of the game - believe me it will be a damn sight more complicated than that.

Afghanistan? Given Obama's comments on his tactical approach versus Pakistan sovereignty, Afghanistan could turn into a complete and utter disaster. Take a look at a world atlas Amos, what price any foreign troops surviving in Afghanistan if Pakistan withdraws "over-fly" rights?

Jack the Sailor posted a link about John McCain but it covered Obama's press conferences out in the middle-east. As he was there explaining his Iraq withdrawal policy, the only thing that was missing as he chatted away, waving his hands about as he does, was a white flag. The man is an absolute disaster waiting to happen, he is completely without substance and internationally Putin and Co are going to make mincemeat out of him. He (Obama) might even be the President that manages to make "Peanut" Carter look good.