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Thread #113224   Message #2404392
Posted By: John on the Sunset Coast
03-Aug-08 - 02:51 PM
Thread Name: BS: Reasons for being a Conservative
Subject: RE: BS: Reasons for being a Conservative
Thank you, Alice for that lead..

From Wikipedia:
"In the early 1970s, democratic socialist Michael Harrington used the term in its modern meaning. He characterized neoconservatives as former leftists — whom he derided as "socialists for Nixon" — who had moved significantly to the right. These people tended to remain supporters of social democracy, but distinguished themselves by allying with the Nixon administration over foreign policy, especially by their support for the Vietnam War and opposition to the Soviet Union. They still supported the welfare state, but not necessarily in its contemporary form.

Irving Kristol remarked that a neoconservative is a "liberal mugged by reality," one who became more conservative after seeing the results of liberal policies. Kristol also claims three distinctive aspects of neoconservatism from previous forms of conservatism: a forward-looking approach drawn from their liberal heritage, rather than the reactionary and dour approach of previous conservatives; a meliorative outlook, proposing alternate reforms rather than simply attacking social liberal reforms; taking philosophical or ideological ideas very seriously.[32]"

These paragraphs largely comport with my understand of American Neoconservatism. I find little if any relationship to the way most liberalsm posting here have used the term. And I certainly don't see Geo. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove et. al. as subscribing to the philosophy embodied in those paragraphs.

I reiterate, most of you have been using the term Neoconservative in a generally pejorative, erroneous way to further your own agendas.