The reason I haven't given up on WAV (yet) is that I don't believe he's a lost cause. It seems obvious to me that he holds views that are grounded in racism; I'm hoping that something that one of us says will make him realise this and reflect on it, rather than taking his usual approach of redefining 'racist' so that it won't apply to him.

I've also got a personal interest, as my wife's parents were both born a long way away & grew up speaking languages other than English. WAV seems to be saying that it would have been better for English culture if my wife's parents had never come here, in which case she would have been born somewhere else and I'd never have met her. Now, I love English culture, but I also love my wife, and I'm personally affronted by the idea that she's alien to it - she's part of it, just as much as I am.

I'm sure WAV will say that he's not thinking of people like my wife, but I can't see on what basis. If you want fewer foreigners to come here, that must mean you think it was a bad thing that so many foreigners have come here. People like my wife's parents.

So, WAV, a simple question, which you can answer in one word. Do you think it would have been better for England, culturally speaking, if immigration from the West Indies, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Uganda had been severely limited?