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Thread #113211   Message #2423384
Posted By: Jack Blandiver
27-Aug-08 - 11:31 AM
Thread Name: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
but you can't say that he's a racist

With respect to the above posts by Little Hawk & Master Baiter, I don't see any evidence to the contrary, and as WAV resolutely refuses to provide any, whilst continuing to promote his published ideologies, then, as far as I'm concerned, he is as good as admitting to it.

The past traditions that WAV talks about as Our Own Good Culture are the hobbyist concern of but a tiny minority of the 50 million people currently living in England - even those of the indigenous white population (as far as we can call it such). His view of this is a personal fantasy which in no way shape or form can be considered representative of English Culture in 2008, nor indeed at any time in English history.

Now, if this was simply WAV's personal belief I would not question it; nor would I have the right to question it. However, WAV does does not express his beliefs, he publishes & promotes them in a blaze of self-glorification - which is a very different matter entirely. I have friends who express their beliefs, generally down at the pub, in their cups, spouting all sorts of racist bullshit by way of a rowdy exchange, general provocation & otherwise Devil's Advocacy, but they don't do so far as to publish it, nor yet have the supreme arrogance to assume that what they believe represents the best way forward for humanity.

WAV is not objecting to the race of various immigrants, he is objecting to the fact that they may hold rather different cultural values, and that that causes changes in his culture which he doesn't care for.

I think, sadly, you'll find that WAV is objecting to the race of various immigrants, as with WAV culture and ethnicity are synonymous, which is perhaps one of the things we do agree on. I say again, as many have, that English culture is the result of aeons of immigration, invasion, diversification & assimilation; English culture is a process determined by the English People, which is to say the 50 million or so human beings living in England at this present point in time however they came to be here, or whatever their culture / ethnicity might be.

WAV's answer to this?

Yes England, e.g, is (or was until about 50 years ago) an old old blend of mostly European cultures.

The racial implication here couldn't be clearer, thus do I maintain that by his own published writings it can be proven that WAV's cultural concerns are racist.

But once again, this is not a personal attack on WAV, but on the fact that he has set himself up as a some sort of benign ideologue, hell bent on promoting a propaganda that is demonstratably contentious, and worse, potentially inflammatory should ever it be used to fuel the already perilous tensions that exist largely because of the same sort of propagandist bullshit such as WAV has published, and evidently, believes in. I can just imagine some disaffected racist stumbling across a line such as:

As I've said in verse, English culture is taking a hammering and, when people lose their own culture,society suffers.

and believing it, and adopting it, and using to further the racist cause.

Fact is, never has English Culture been richer, healthier and as diversely dynamic as it is now. In no way, shape or form is it taking a hammering. And as I've said above, there are more people engaged with Folk Music now than at any point in history, even though it still remains a minority concern. No shame there, of course because culture does not, and cannot, exist without people; culture is what people do - something that WAV, for all his anthropological training, has failed to realise.