IB - as well as repeatedly referring to a recorder made in Japan as an "Engrish frute" you have also told as of your friends at the pub making racist jokes. I never do that - what I do, rather, is question the act of immigration itself, which is NOT racism.

More repeated personal retaliation, Wavy - all of which has been answered in good faith, as far as you were justified in bringing it up in the first place. Lots of people say silly things in their cups - God knows they're only human - but only you, it would seen, would write it up and publish it as your Life's Work and promote it as the Best Way Forward for Humanity. As Don says above it looks to me as if someone is fastening on it in an effort to level a counter-charge against one of his critics and thereby divert attention from his own bigoted viewpoint. So, nice to see you're so rattled as to resort to such grossly underhand tactics but please, stop throwing up smokescreens and just answer the points.

Let's go back to the UN definition of racial discrimination shall we?

The term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

Now, without reference to my education, drunken friends, Engrish Frute, or opinions of New Labour, justify how, in the light of the above, your ideas aren't racist.