I guess it's typical of this site that many of us soon get off the original point and ramble on about our own prejudices.

I confess, if it is at all relevant, to putting a spanner in this. I had heard, I think, the editor of the DT ranting about the BBC after the Ross / Brand chaos, more or less demanding the end of the licence fee and turning the BBC into a commercial body.

I think it is not recognised by many on the Liberal / Left that almost all Jounalists simply attempt to write the news of the day. I guess the ideologues that write the scary headlines and the editorials are the few who are employed because of their commitment?

I used to read the headlines of most papers as I waited to buy a pint of milk on my way to work. The Daily Express ran about 8 or 9 anti Asylem Seeker headlines, day after day, including "Asylem Seekers ate my Donkey". The DT was often a slightly more polite version of the same - on a whole range of issues.

I guess those of us who worked in the public sector in the 1980 essentially worked for Thatcher, did we not, although perhaps with some organised resistance?

We all wish Eliza and her baby the best. I thought the E was silent.

L in C