No, mjm, you did not see something that was not there. Human fetuses are fully, perfectly formed at a very early gestation age. The question appears to be, at what gestaional age do they have a "soul" and are "human", as opposed to animal/mammalian? Another question is, are Homo Sapiens the only animal (entity) with a Soul? I am convinced that all things on the planet have a soul of some sort, even rocks. All things are somehow a small part of a greater Whole, maybe Gaia, maybe Universal. You just have to make up your own mind about this, and we all know it is very difficult.

If you want children and can't have them, my heart bleeds for you, and I do understand about not wanting to adopt, if you don't. And, I would never, NEVER do the surrogate mother/womb thing; I just don't think it is an emotional/biological option.

(still a very friendly thread, considering subject matter.Are all you others tip-toeing, or are we for once in agreement about a person's body?)