I'm worried about Trev... he asked me to cut up a carrot and put it in the fridge so he could eat some when he fancied a cigarette. He's not had a "virtual fag"... or has he.... whilst he hasn't touched the carrot, he sits chewing the end of a match... no, not the head. Song is being written. I will suggest the mandola idea. Thanks RB.... loved the sheep beauty contests on the Knockholt thread!