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Thread #113211   Message #2499302
Posted By: Jack Blandiver
21-Nov-08 - 09:33 AM
Thread Name: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
being the realist that I am

You are many things, Wavy - a realist, however, is not one of them.

with that realism, I have penned "Walkabouts: travels AND CONCLUSIONS in Verse", which I stand by. And, if and when you do read it all, you will NOT find any "hate" of any particular culture/race - just a questioning of the ACT OF IMMIGRATION ITSELF.

You persist in this very particular definition of racism whilst continuing to question immigration in the most racist ways imaginable - as others have shown here quite categorically. Your recent comment this record amount of capitalist/economic immigration (perhaps hoping for the ethnic vote) that many citizens, and wildlife, are now going to pay for illustrates this perfectly.

"Nationalism is but one step away from racism and fascism," (Smokey)...it is to mis-led pro-immigrationists like you or, at least, you deliberately try to paint it that way, because you don't like immigration being questioned;

Whatever one's personal feelings on immigration, to question immigration on such entirely erroneous grounds as English culture is taking a hammering (etc.) is racist. Also, to call anyone who disagrees with you on this mis-led (sic) in this respect is typical of the arrogant self-righteousness that is your overriding consideration in all aspects of your Life's Work.   

and, in saying that, you not only offend me but all the many members of Plaid Cymru, the SNP, etc.

Any member of the SNP or Plaid Cymru would be more than merely offended at the suggestion that their cause is in any way, shape or form like yours, Wavy - they'd be justifiably outraged.

Nationalism with eco-travel and fair trade, rather than greedy imperialism and conquest, is NOT racist or fascist, and, further more, I'm very sure it will make our world a more peaceful interesting place.

Further evidence of your Realism no doubt! Such a world could only exist by being policed by a centralised military authority - your Stronger UN no doubt - and interesting is the last thing it would be, with cultures reduced to isolated museum pieces and regulated theme parks. This is your vision of a Nice Multi-Cultural World - bland, static, defined and regulated according to the central rule book. As a synopsis for dystopian sci-fi it works a treat, but only as a background for the struggle for individual identity and resistance to such nightmarish totalitarianism as such as we find in The Prisoner, 1984 and The Wicker Man, all of which feature very WAV-like cultural anti-utopias overseen by a malcontent absolutist authority not unlike the one you're proposing.   

And, as I said last post, it remains mostly, not solely, a group of pro-immigrationists using various, some of them disgusting, tactics - because in some of my poems and posts I've dared to question immigration

You are being questioned because of the racist ideology that is the whole of your anti-immigration policy. It is your stance that is disgusting, Wavy - any opposition to it is to be highly commended.

and, by the way, IB's above remark was because, over the last year or so, New Labour themselves have questioned and regulated immigration more. He, as with a few others here, really does hate immigration being questioned - but, as I also said in my last post, those who read without posting here have minds of their own...

Whatever my personal feelings on New Labour, the fact remains that British / English / Scottish / Welsh / Irish / Manx (etc.) Culture is entirely the consequence of thousands of years of ongoing invasion and immigration and that there is not one single element of Our Own Good Culture or the Own Good Cultures of anywhere that is not derived from somewhere else. Your so-called realism is to misrepresent and mislead the reality of such human & cultural complexities by reducing them to the risible clichés you offer forth as Our Own Culture and Values, which we are somehow in danger of losing. Culture is nothing without People; without People Culture could not exist, yet People can, and do, exist, quite happily, without Culture - Folk Culture especially. People come, and People go; Culture changes; Culture is what IS, not what WAS, nor yet what SHOULD BE. Your vision of culture is about as far removed from the realities of England in 2008 as one could possibly wish, and yet you persist in the notion that this insane fantasy vision is somehow a good way forward for humanity...

But, as with racism, no doubt you've got your own personal definition of realism too...