I think that what VTam is trying to do nicely, is ask you gents to please be considerate and not utterly derail her thread. To persist, after having been politely requested not to do so, is I'm afraid to say, somewhat rude.

This isn't my thread, and frankly I didn't contribute anything other than complete bullshit here myself! But if the OP requested that I stay on topic, I would respect that request.