The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #22672   Message #253947
Posted By: Thomas the Rhymer
08-Jul-00 - 01:25 AM
Thread Name: Why did Dylan dis Phil Ochs?
Subject: RE: Why did Dylan dis Phil Ochs?
1.) Dylan is mean sometimes 2.) mean people are usually insecure 3.) Ochs is blatant, and sometimes rude 4.) Ochs was what we now would call "a sensitive male" A.) this is a bad combination for a songwriter, especially when trying to fall asleep at night 5.) Any refference made to competition between these two is absurd. A.) Dylan writes to transcend the specific instance that inspired him... 1.) extensive traditional music training B.) Ochs wrote to GLORIFY the specific incidence that inspired him... 2.) popular song training?

I'm sorry, but I don't think Dylan dissed Ochs any more than he dissed everything else in his vicinity, and Ochs couldn't stop going out of his way to try to get the messenger killed... These guys were/are tallented songwriters, and both had a bone to pick. But most of all, they were playing for crouds that were not so appathetic and sheltered as most of us are now. Well, I guess we'll have to listen more closely if we are to hear that little tiny complaining voice in the psyche of the common man screeming to no effect through the layers of fat and fancy...