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Thread #117493   Message #2544449
Posted By: Teribus
20-Jan-09 - 06:03 PM
Thread Name: BS: Israel Moves in.
Subject: RE: BS: Israel Moves in.
Yes all well and good Guest ifor apart from the following:

If the Arabs in Gaza have the right to defend themselves when attacked then so do the Jews in Israel.

Since August 2005 no part of Gaza has been occupied.

What on earth makes you think that Hamas in Gaza is fighting for a Free Palestine??

The Jews have withstood attacks and threats of annihilation for 89 years now and have withstood them all. Between 1920 and 1936 they mistakenly put their trust in the British to protect them. Between 1936 and 1945 they learned to protect themselves, learned to rely on their own defence, and assisted the British in crushing the pro-Nazi Arab Revolt. Between 1945 and 1947 they retaliated in kind when attacked by Arabs and the British alike.

When in 1947 the UN proposed a two state solution, the Jews agreed and the Arabs rejected the offer. In the war of independence that followed the Arabs were defeated. The UN brokered a cease-fire, the terms of which the Israelis complied with and the Arabs did not. Out of the former mandated Palestine the Egyptians captured and retained Gaza and the Jordanians took the West Bank.

In 1956 they fought again and the Arabs lost again. Another UN brokered cease-fire the terms of which the Israelis complied with while the Arabs did not.

In 1967 the entire Arab world openly threatened Israel with annihilation and positioned five armies on Israel's borders having thrown the UN peace-keepers out of Sinai. Israel mounted a pre-emptive strike that knocked out the Arab Air Forces of Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Over the next six days those armies were routed and for the first time Israel invaded neighbouring territories and occupied them. When the UN brokered the cease-fire this time Israel was adamant, the only way land will be returned is through bilateral agreements whereby Israel obtains recognition and peace treaties are signed.

In 1973 the Arabs struck again, in the Sinai from Egypt and on the Golan Heights from Syria, on the Jewish Festival of Yom Kippur. The Jordanians and the Lebanese sensibly stayed out of it. After some initial reverses the IDF regained the initiative and repelled the assault. Had they wished they could have destroyed Damascus and completely annihilated the Egyptian Armies trapped in Sinai and in Egypt around Port Said. Yet another UN brokered cease-fire. This time two bilateral deals based on return of land-for-peace were reached with Egypt and with Jordan. Those deals have held good to this day. A similar deal with Syria has always been tantalisingly close, but never quite there. Talks are still going on with Turkey as the mediator.

Now the Egyptians held part of the old Palestine called Gaza, and the Jordanians held the part of the old Palestine mandate called the West Bank and instead of just giving those to the "Palestinians", the Palestinian's Arab friends shut them up in camps and kept them in poverty. Assad's Syria, Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Khomeni's Iran became the backers of the Palestinian cause and kept the pot boiling with attacks on the civilian population of Israel. However the Israelis fought back.

If the Arabs stop fighting there will be peace tomorrow

If the Israelis stop fighting they will be annihilated tomorrow

You cannot negotiate with any group that has sworn to destroy you.

Another obvious truth is this - The Palestinian Arabs need Israel and the Jews to survive, they will get absolutely nothing from any of their Arab neighbours, because those neighbours have got nothing that could sustain and make economically viable a Palestinian State - Israel on the other hand has got something to offer, but it is not going to obtained at the point of a gun or by threats of violence.