heatherblether, CarolC, Guest ifor, Guest HUGO - A couple of simple questions for you:

1. "How many people did Israeli Forces kill in Jenin when they went into the refugee camp there to halt a spate of suicide bombings?"

2. "How many people did the Palestinians claim the Israeli Forces killed in that incursion?"

For those of you who do not want to wait until hell freezes over before any of the aforementioned answers those questions the answers are given below:

Answer to Question 1 = 52 to 56 Palestinians, of whom 5-26 may have been civilians.
Answer to Question 2 = At one point 3000 then down 1300 then down to 500 and the western media, TV and particularly the "International Relief Organisations" lapped it up condemning Israel right left and centre.

But it was all a lie, all a myth. But as CarolC knows full well but refuses point blank to admit that is not the first time that Arabs have lied about Jews killing Arabs is it? You can trace that particular little idiosyncrasy all the way back to 1920/1921.

So when it comes to being sceptical about who reports what, the IDF in the past have proved a damn sight more truthful that either Hamas, Fatah or Hezbollah.