About the only thing I agree with you about, Nickhere, is that David Irving should be legally allowed to write and to deny the Holocaust. That doesn't mean that any private groups are obligated to invite him to speak or even to have an audience. As Hubert Humphrey said, "The right to freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to be heard." [I may be a little off on the quote, but that's the essence].

I've already noted when I wrote earlier, "If I had my druthers, those laws [holocaust denial] wouldn't exist. But those countries have their own guilt to deal with regarding the Holocaust."

Countries are not individuals who have the luxury of noting evils that have taken place in the last century. Countries have to make compromises--and they all do for reasons we might not admire--which are felt are in the current best interest of the country.

Turkey is the only country in the Middle East with which Israel has anything like normalized relations; it would be foolish of Israel to jeopardize that.

Even the US has not formally recognized the Armenian Genocide, although we've come close a couple of times. It has been, or will be introduced again by Adam Schiff (D) of California, a Jew. It will likely pass during this Congress.

Turkey will almost surely acknowledge the genocide, or something like it, sooner rather than later, so they can become part of the EU. They will make that deal when they finally realize it is in their best interest to do so.

Well, this has certainly been a lot of thread creep.