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Thread #118462   Message #2562139
Posted By: folk1e
09-Feb-09 - 04:50 PM
Thread Name: carol thatcher death threats
Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
"The Upton Golliwogg was adventurous and sometimes silly, but, in the main, gallant and "lovable," albeit, unsightly." .... Quote from the Jim Crow book.

So the race hate figure of history started here .... Lovable, Gallant ..... how times change!
Thanks Lox .... now that I am informed I can say that, as racist comments go it is hardly the worst, is it? As per usual a phrase has evolved into something different for each person hearing (or saying) it.
So if the meaning of the phrase is determined by the hearer it doesn't matter what you mean to say, only what I want to hear?

If you wish to be literal then I am a racist! I have expectations of people that are dependant of their race, so what else can you call it? It does not mean that I would treat anybody differently, but that I would expect certain differences to be forthcoming! My expectations are on the whole based on my encounters with people of different races. I think it is only fair to say that I am also classist! This would probably be better understood by those on the eastern side of the pond! I would expect different attitudes and actions from people dependant on their social and financial background ...... and I think many of you do too!

If you don't believe me just think what the following names mean to you :- Gypsy, Irish, Sicilian, Scot, Tyke, Southerner, Trailer Trash, Ivy league, .... need I go on?
I suspect that some of you may have stronger opinions on some of those groups than me, but we do have opinions (and you will note that I have not said that any of those opinions are bad)!

We are all different I think it is sad that we can't, if not celebrate, then accept our differences in a positive light.
Jo Brand getting "upset" about a golliwogg comment is about as plausible as Marget Thatcher having a conscience ....... both are theoretically possible ................