"Some talk it from a philosophical level, others have actually lived it"

Well, we all lived it in this country. We lived through the troubles on these Islands, and we lived through the Thatcher years, but I've gone into my experiences there elsewhere and can't be arsed to type it all out again

Just because I haven't fought a war doesn't mean I don't have a clue what I'm talking about - I was still here when it happened. One of the 4 million. I could never understand the horrors of fighting like as I haven't been through them, but I've seen the consequences like many of us have.

" At the root of the problem, the tactics used by folks against the establishment were the result of actions by the British government."

Well, Thatcher turned the police into her own private army for the duration of the miners strike and afterwards too - witness theThe Battle of the Beanfield. Trivial though this event may seen when placed in context just after the devastation of the miner's strike, this brutal police action simply proved the force was now not the protector of the people, but an enemy. This profound change in viewpoint has never really left the British public in my opinion. The fact the police can still kill innocent civilians and get away with it only proves the point.

The continuing tragedy of the Thatcher years is the fact a so-called Socialist party got into government and then continued the policies of the old sow and her cohorts; what a fine mess that's turned into.

Where we go now in this country is anyone's guess.