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Thread #4712   Message #25739
Posted By: Bruce O.
14-Apr-98 - 09:55 AM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: Will Ye No Come Home Again
Subject: RE: Will ye no come home again
I haven't researched this one, but Jack Campin of the Scots list recently stated that there are practically no real Jacobite songs and actually written and composed written in the Jacoabite period, which some take to be 1688-1746. (Campin is expert on the Scots tunes of the 18th century to be found in Scots MSS. He's an excellent amateur in that area, that's probably as good an any professional.) James Hogg in the 'Jacobite Relics' took some anti-Catholic James songs of 1684-88 as 'Jacobite' era also (but they're on the other side). One big problem, the Gaels didn't publish anything until much later, after 1800, so we have nothing but claims of 'traditional Jacobite'. There do seem to me to be 4 or 5 songs of Bonnie Prince Charlie's time in Scotland (1745-6). The original "You Jacobites by name", 1746, is on my website. I've seen an early MS copy of "Johnnie Cope" (whose opening is almost always given wrong in later reprints) The tune "Over the water to Charlie" was published about 1752 (the tune had a different title earlier, and versions are on my website under the Irish title "Shambuy". This title probably came from any earlier song. "Charlie is my darling" is pretty old, but I haven't tried to trace that one.

I can't remember any others off the top of my head. "The Lords of Convention" = "Bonnets of Bonny Dundee" in DT is by Sir Walter Scott, who said in his diary that he wrote it in 1817, but first published it in a play of 1830. "Loch Lomond" as noted on an earlier thread seems to have first appeared in 1876. I expect we'll see more 'Jaco bite' songs in the future. Opinion is that "Lady Keith's Lament" = "When the King comes over the water" in "Jacobite Relics' is by Hogg himself.