. . . and tell me if you still think you're civilised."

Just a slight nit-pick, Paul. I am aware of what the military and the intelligence services in the USA and UK did to Binyam Mohamed, and I and many, many other people deplore and are disgusted by it, and support such organizations as Amnesty International and what they strive to do. And I am also deeply angered that our elected officials (most of whom, I personally, did not vote for) have not only allowed, but condoned this sort of thing. Do you still maintain that I, and people who feel as I do, are nevertheless "uncivilized?"

I reject out of hand any attempt to impose collective guilt.

Don Firth