Little Hawk, I didn't say that these singers didn't deserve their success. But be it noted that Grossman put a couple of trios together that simply didn't work before he found Mary Travers, Peter Yarrow, and Noel (Paul) Stookey and got them together. That combo worked.

Dave Van Ronk made the comment about Grossman that he was really amazing. He could follow you into a revolving door and come out ahead of you. And two hours after you'd had a conversation with him, you suddenly discovered that he'd stolen your underwear!

As to Bob Dylan, had it not been for Grossman's management and the fact that Joan Baez took him around with her on her concert tours, introduced him, then chewed the audience out when they booed him, one can't really say where he might have ended up.

But that discussion is for another thread.

Don Firth