That puts me in mind of another "idiot in public" story. Off topic, but it is interesting how often people say the damndest things. During a recent and rare snow storm here in Seattle a local TV news "personality" was out interviewing people on the street about the piles of snow everywhere. One shot showed a car trying and failing to get traction. Newswoman was saying, "Look at that, even with chains on the tires that car can't get going". The car, with chains on the back tires, was madly spinning its front tires on the ice . . .