Well, the "guns do not kill" statement doesn't fit the laws of logic and experience. Guns are certainly one of the two major causes of gunshot deaths in the country. If you didn't have guns, you wouldn't have gunshot deaths - and if you didn't have anybody to pull the trigger, you'd also eliminate gunshot deaths.

guns don't kill people people kill people

may be a catchy slogan - but it's just not logical.

It's not a question of one or the other - BOTH guns and gun operators are needed to cause the result. I would guess the NRA would get alarmed it we were to go around eliminating people who like guns, so maybe removing or strictly controlling the guns is the way to go.

-Joe-

P.S. I added "fill in the blanks" to the thread title so people don't get all worried...