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Thread #120320   Message #2622235
Posted By: Teribus
30-Apr-09 - 06:36 PM
Thread Name: BS: Obama and torture
Subject: RE: BS: Obama and torture
"The Dresden firebombing was the result of a bombing raid by the Royal Air Force." - Artbrooks

That is not correct it was a combined operation which was supposed to have intitiated by the US 8th Air Force between 13 February and 15 February 1945.

The Dresden attack was to have begun with a USAAF Eighth Air Force bombing raid on 13 February but bad weather over Europe prevented any USAAF operations, and it was left to RAF Bomber Command to carry out the first raid.

The RAF attacked two times on the night of the 13th/14th, on the morning of 14 February, 431 bombers of the 1st Bombardment Division of the United States VIII Bomber Command were scheduled to bomb Dresden at around midday. Targeting sequence was to be the centre of the built up area in Dresden if the weather was clear. If clouds obscured Dresden and if it was clear over Chemnitz, then Chemnitz was to be the target. If both were obscured then the centre of Dresden would be bombed using H2X radar.

316 B-17 Flying Fortresses bombed Dresden, dropping 771 tons of bombs. The 379th bombardment group started to bomb Dresden at 12:17 aiming at marshalling yards in the Friedrichstadt district west of the city centre as the area was not obscured by smoke and cloud. The 303rd group arrived over Dresden 2 minutes after the 379th found that the their view was obscured by clouds so they bombed Dresden using H2X radar to target this location. The groups that followed the 303rd, (92nd, 306th, 379th, 384th and 457th) also found Dresden obscured by clouds and they too used H2X to locate the target. H2X aiming caused the groups to bomb inaccurately with a wide dispersal over the Dresden area. The last group to bomb Dresden was the 306th and they had finished by 12:30.

On 15 February, bombers of the USAAF returned, the 1st Bombardment Division's primary target — the Böhlen synthetic oil plant near Leipzig — was obscured by cloud so the Division's groups diverted to their secondary target which was the city of Dresden. As Dresden was also obscured by clouds the groups targeted the city using H2X.

On the subject of Obama and torture, I read an interesting question that appeared as a comment in "The Times", it went something like:

As Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was tortured according to President Barack Obama's interpretation of the practice of waterboarding, any statement or admission made by KSM is inadmissable. Further as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed could not possibly receive a "fair" trial in the United States of America, when will President Barack Obama release Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?