The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #117493   Message #2628030
Posted By: CarolC
09-May-09 - 09:11 PM
Thread Name: BS: Israel Moves in.
Subject: RE: BS: Israel Moves in.
It's not possible to credibly claim that the Arabs in surrounding countries started a conflict that had already been underway in the form of the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands non-Jewish Palestinians by Jews, using terrorism and outright massacres, and taking over Arab cities and villages for several months before Israel declared its independence. I know people like to try to make it look like the conflict started after Israel declared its independence, but that has been thoroughly disproven.

So the reality is that the Jews who became the government of the state of Israel were the ones who started the warfare during the months leading up to Israel's declaring its independence, and any territory it took during that time was taken in violation of the very United Nations initiative cited by the above poster. People can't both point to the UN borders and legitimately claim a right to violate them at the same time. It is illegal under international law for Israel to acquire territory by force, so it is illegal for Israel to transfer members of its own population into any territory outside of the pre-'67 borders. However, it is true that the pre-'67 borders are internationally recognized, and this is why so many people are saying that Israel needs to pull back to the pre-'67 borders, rather than to the borders outlined by the Partition plan.

The Jews who had been living in the area that is now Israel and occupied Palestine uninterrupted since biblical times are definitely indigenous to the area. Those are Mizrahim. The European Jews have no claim on that area whatever based on area of origin, and the Sephardim have some claim, by virtue of having been there for a while, but it is not as great as the claim that the indigenous Mizrahim, and the non-Jewish Palestinians have on the area.

The non-Jewish Palestinians (along with those Mizrahim whose families never left the area) are not squatters, their families having live in that area and having farmed it for thousands of years.

If people are going to point to the Jews of color who live in Israel as evidence of a lack of racism on the part of Israeli Jews of European origin, they are being very dishonest. The Jews of color in Israel are terribly discriminated against, and they were brought there to do the kinds of work that the European Jews didn't want to do, but that they didn't want non-Jews to be doing, either. So it most definitely is a racial matter, and a matter of European supremacism.

The Palestinians in the occupied areas definitely have a strong connection to the land they have lived on and farmed for thousands of years. It's true that some of the Palestinians who are now in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem were not born in those places. This is because they were born in the area that is now Israel.

By the way, these attempts to deny the real history of the Palestinians is also form of racism and it is cultural genocide. And it is a practice that has been entirely discredited.

I was reading a news item the other day that describes how one of the docents at the Israeli Holocaust Museum was fired because he pointed out to visitors, as they were exiting a building where it opens out to the peaceful scene overlooking the area, that the site of the destroyed Arab village of Deir Yasin, where the first massacre of the Nakba took place (several months before Israel declared its independence), could be seen from where they were standing there in the Holocaust Museum.

Really, hasbara fictions, like those posted in an above post, no longer have the power to mislead and brainwash people. There's just too much proof out there that entirely discredits he entire hasbara narrative.