Ach, AKe, let us drop the ad hominem aspects of this discussion, as LH has asked; they add no merit. I felt John was being sincere, if impassioned, and see no reason to call him a liar. THere are many people in Mudcat town who resort to name calling much, much more readily than he.

I would point out for example that this thread was fairly civil until 30 Dec 08, when GfS began to assert that those who did not see things her way were stupid idiots, assholes, ignorant and arrogant, etc. Since then there have been lots of civil posts and a handful of uncivil ones, some of them from me, for which, as usual, I apologize.

I have no objection ifg, in your view, the unproven dynamics behind the phenomenon of honosexuality seem to be aberrations and even if they seem to be "chosen".   I don't think the existing evidence p[oints that way, but it is not a hard-proven issue, so extrapolate and hypothesize whichever way you like, for all o' me.

But you will not change the issue that Prop 8 was a mass effort to vote to deny certain core liberties to a certain minority. That's cut and dried.

'Nuff said.