"it is not for me to enlighten anybody ,it is up to those who doubt it to prove it."

Which is why the academic articles exist, and why research has been undertaken by people like Roy Palmer, who has enormous respect for Bert Lloyd's achievements. Did you get to his talk about Lloyd at Glasson last year, Dick? You may have been singing at the time and therefore unable to attend. If you had, you would have seen that Roy Palmer does indeed know a huge amount about Bert Lloyd, and has great respect for his achievements. Yet still he clearly feels it is right to interrogate these sources and these songs, because ultimately it's not really about Bert Lloyd, it's about the social history behind the songs and their basic integrity.

It does no service to either Lloyd or the music to unquestioningly accept everything he said, even where there is strong evidence to the contrary. I think I was once told that a lot of the research into the less likely claims was actually held back until after Lloyd's death, purely out of respect.

As the article Dave posted says at the beginning, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" - but there IS a convincing weight of evidence and research. Personally, I think the case has pretty much been proved, Dick.