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Thread #115854   Message #2655753
Posted By: Don Firth
13-Jun-09 - 04:07 PM
Thread Name: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
No, Don T., GfS said that he/she/it had "referenced" the words of Heinlein, Mark Twain Frank Zappa, Marx, Vladamir Lenin, Johh Lennon, Oscar Wilde, among others.

He/she/it didn't say that he/she/it had actually read them.

GfS, upthread, you accused me of being bitter about religion (along with giving me lots of advice that I neither asked for nor needed), apparently assuming that was the case because of my stance favoring same-sex marriage. There are a few people here who view religion unfavorably (the usual suspects), but certainly not everyone on this thread. And nor are all Christian churches anti-gay-marriage, which you would know if you actually read what I posted about the number of main-line Christian churches that have adopted the "Affirmation of Welcome" statement. I belong to one of those churches myself. But let's not get into a dragged out discussion of my religious beliefs. Other than your prediliction for spurious assumptions, I have no idea what grab-bag you got the idea that I was "bitter about religion" out of.

And what does religion have to do with a civil rights issue, anyway? Passing or rescinding laws on the basis of religious belief is a violation of the First Amendment.

"Pseudo-liberal?" When you hear the civil rights of a minority ground defended, those who want to abridge those civil rights always resort to such epithets as accusing the proponents of being "pseudo-liberal." Here's a bulletin, GfS—and Ake. There's nothing "pseudo" about it. Attacking people who are pro-civil rights with that sort of thing is one of the marks of an obvious bi—

Oh! That's right. There are people here who object to applying the correct labels to other peoples' behavior.

Don Firth