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Thread #115854   Message #2659806
Posted By: John P
18-Jun-09 - 06:41 PM
Thread Name: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
I've answered this a dozen times....marriage doesn't concern me personally, if I believed in God or was a Christian I would be very concerned that my beliefs were being undermined.

Not relevant -- this doesn't have a place in a discussion of whether or not gay folks should be denied civil rights. Please acknowledge this, refute it, or drop it.

What I am concerned about is the campaign by homosexual activists and PC "liberals" to normalise a lifestyle which according to the current medical statistics is extremely dangerous and destructive.

Who is interpreting these statistics? Is it just you, with your contention that AIDS is a gay disease? Do you understand that everyone can get AIDS, gay or straight, and the fact that a higher percentage of gay folks have AIDS just means that it hit that community first? Please acknowledge this, refute it, or drop it. Also, accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being PC "liberals" (thus making their opinions immaterial? or what?) is a put-down of almost everyone else on this thread; in short, it is an ad hominem attack. This is generally considered to be bad form if you want to be taken seriously. Please acknowledge this, refute it, or drop it.

Right from the start I have stated that Homosexual "marriage" was a device to normalise the practice, there has been no evidence presented that the mass of homosexuals are interested in monogamy or "marriage" .....in fact the statistics say the exact opposite!

Again, not relevant. If even one gay couple wants to enjoy the benefits of marriage and are denied it, their civil rights are being trampled. In fact, tens of thousands of couples have sought marriage -- the evidence is easily available. What statistics say otherwise? Please direct us to them. Has a reputable organization really canvassed a relevant sample of gay people and reached this conclusion? You are making statements that have no basis. Please acknowledge this, refute it, or drop it. Also, what evidence do have that being homosexual is not normal? Virtually all professionals in the field of medicine and mental health disagree. Please acknowledge this, refute it, or drop it.

In the interest of drawing this thread to a close, if you don't choose to acknowledge these points, refute them, or drop them, I will declare you the "loser" of this debate. You have to support what you say if you want to continue this conversation. If you can't, you should admit that you don't like gay marriage simply because of the "ick factor" and for no other reason.