Bill, that's why I said "badgered" into talking about it. I generally don't talk about it at all, and never present it as anything other than a subjective experience. Skeptics that are easy about it are no problem. The problem is the ones who seem to take glee in somehow "proving" that these experiences didn't really happen. Oh, and I'm not talking about being the reincarnation of Ghenghis Khan or being abducted by aliens. I'm talking about mental states, visual effects, and spiritual realizations that come as a result of meditation. All that other stuff is just plain CRAZY! ;^)