Yaknow I'm really insulted, I DID NOT GET NAMED! I have secret conversations on the personal side have met in person with mudders with like interests,even had phone conversations, but I wouls never call mudcat cliquie, it just covers a large seg. of the music world, so you tend to group now and again. I seldom post, but I read most of them. do I agree? sometimes! have I been hurt by there content? yes I have. so I posted that it hurt me, and 11 people wrote to apologize and that was not nesesary, because if it hurt me so bad I could have turned it off! I have never been excluded from any thread! I have been ignored, but that's because I am sometimes obnoxious but that's my sense of humor, some like it some don't but no clique.