"Look once, pass on, and think no more about him."

Thats a joke worthy of the two Ronnies coming from someone who is totally obsessed by the need to "win" this debate.
How many months have you been here Don?....Its certainly taken you quite a while to pass on!

So, after all the bullshit by the gang of four....and thanks to Emma, we finally have an unequivocal statement from the President "that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."(would you care to underline THAT Don?)
I suppose that means he's on our side, and I have a mind to do a Mr Peekstock and declare victory, for even Don x 2, Amos, or Tia would surely hesitate to bullshit the great Obama.......but no, I shall continue, for I believe this thread may broaden into an examination of "Liberalism" as currently practiced.

Not far from where I live, as the crow flies,is the island of Jura and the small farmhouse of Barnhill, where George Orwell wrote his masterpiece "Nineteen eighty-four", I would recommend that the "liberals" here read or re-read Orwells great work, for although his vision of a Communist or Fascist totalitarian regime dominating the world is no longer feasible, all the stereotypes are alive and well in the creed of "liberalism". They practice "doublethink", they manufacture labels which mean exactly the opposite from what is written on them, their ideas and beliefs are protected by the "thought police", they are adept in the use of "soft power", not so brutal as Orwell's "jackboot to the face forever" but just as insideous and soul destroying.
The creed of "liberalism" is danger to freedom and human happiness and will inevitably create a society very like the one described here by George Orwell.

"There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always—do not forget this, Winston—always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless."