I don't know. Don't really care....let there be songs, to fill the air!The unconscious way we tell private jokes to one another in a basicly social situation is a hurdle for 'Newbies" (a singularly clique-ish word itself) to overcome. It is fun, and it intimidates the "beginner". Now that I have successfully done both, I feel like it would be an important step forward to have a "Praise-worthy" approach to those embarking on the mudcat line. How 's about it,...Oldbies?