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Thread #23701   Message #267754
Posted By: GUEST,Bruce O.
30-Jul-00 - 03:15 AM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: Blackbird of Sweet Avondale
Subject: RE: New Member, Old Lyrics
Under 'blackbird' the Bodley ballads website are several different song. The ones that reprint "The Ladies Lamentation" of 1651 on my website are those that commence "Upon a fair morning for soft recreation". For several of these the Bodley Ballads website has a note that says the subject is Charles Edward Stuart (1720-88). This is an old, but erroneous association. I have seen a J. Pitts issue in the Library of Congress (but can't find it on the Bodley Ballads website) that says the song is an old Scots one from Allen Ramsay's Collection of Scots Songs (Tea Table Miscellany), and it first appeared there in the 1740 edition, and I suspect that is how the song got to Ireland. I've also seen the song said to be associated with James II after he lost his kingdom (late 1688).

Another seeming imitiation of the 1651 ballad is the a late 'blackbird' (Henry Such issue) on the Bodley Ballads website that commences "Come all you Irishmen both great and small".

Somewhat surprisingly, J. Hogg's 'Jacobite Relics' has only a fragment of "The Ladies Lamentation" from a manuscript, and Hogg couldn't figure out who the 'blackbird' might be.