Little Hawk... Don't waste your time trying to explain your position to them...they already know your position, just as they know what I have been saying for months.
By objecting to the words they use to close discussion, you have committed a thought crime and your place here is about to be lowered accordingly, you have planted the seed in their minds that you may be a dissenter....and a very popular and persuasive dissenter at that!!.......You will suffer in future threads...:0)

They will not be satisfied until you or I get down on our knees and apologise for our heretic views, tell them that they were right all along and promise never to mention those views again.

The "Orwellian liberal" agenda will have been satisfactorally achieved......silence will reign, there will be no need to deal with "inconvenient truth", no need to engage in the troublesome thought process.....all will be well with the world.

The older I get and the more I examine political thought, the more I come to realise that the enemies of society are not the "right wing" with their mantra of individual freedom and personal responsibility, but the ideologues of the centre left, with their crazy Orwellian ideas on mass manipulation.

The sad thing is that they don't even believe the shite they preach, the "centre left" is awash with hypocrisy, they simply bully and brainwash most people into giving them tacit support.

They talk of egalitarianism, but what they really want is a society free from dissent, fashioned in their own image and most importantly, with the word "freedom" expunged from the dictionary of "newspeak".....Ake