You all insist on taking everything I say about society personally, eh? I have not named any of you as being a fascist, a hypocrite, a bigot, or anything else like that. It would be wrong to, because you are all complex people, and you can't be summed up by one derogatory word. I'm talking about the behaviour of human beings in general. I'm discussing philosophical things about human nature.

John, I don't have to agree 100% with either side of this argument. It's rare that one side is completely wrong and the other completely right in an argument. I don't think in "all or nothing" terms.

You guys seem to resent that. I have to assume you do think in "all or nothing" terms, and your rhetoric certainly suggests so.

Is it not good enough that I agree with most of your points?

Why must I agree with absolutely EVERYTHING you or Don or Amos or Akenaton say on this thread? And what prize would I win if I did?

Really, I think you all protest overmuch. I think you're getting carried away with your own need to completely win something here...not a prize...not a medal...not anything that will last...just a longwinded argument here on an obscure internet forum that doesn't matter and that won't change anything for gays in California. You won't quit until you think you've "won" or until anyone who says differently from you stops posting and goes away.

Well, I don't care. (shrug) I see it in shades of grey, I see some reason on both sides, I see that you all have high ideals and are defending something you deem valuable, I mostly favor you guys on the legal arguments, and I respect the fact that you all are sincere in what you say.

And if that ain't good enough....too bad. ;-) I have no emotional need to prove anything to any of you and it would be a waste of my time trying to. I come here because I like to talk. Period. And so do you. But you can't talk and remain friendly, it seems, unless you get your own way on everything. That's unfortunate.

I will continue posting here until I get too bored to bother or until it's just not fun anymore. And so will you.

Anyone want to hang in for 3000 posts? Man, I wish I was getting paid a penny letter for all this bla-bla....I'd be able to retire by now.