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Thread #121472   Message #2681396
Posted By: Emma B
16-Jul-09 - 09:31 AM
Thread Name: Folk Against Fascism
Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
" I do NOT understand why people are afraid of garbage like the BNP or RedWatch. People never meet street trash before?"

Redwatch also has a Polish site hosted also by the American based Dreamhost**

In Warsaw 2 years ago an activist named Maciek was critically injured and almost killed when two nazis stabbed, kicked, and pepper sprayed him after Maciek's personal data appeared on redwatch.info -

Attempted murder of an antifascist

Writing in response to the existence of the Polish Redwatch site, which mirrors the British site closely, lawyers from Proskauer Rose LLP say
"The content of Redwatch's site is not protected speech under the First Amendment because it constitutes a true threat," says the firm's report. "The right to free speech is not absolute. Although the First Amendment does safeguard speech advocating violence, well-established law dictates that the right to free speech does not include threats of violence."

Precedent for taking action against websites can be found in Planned Parenthood v American Coalition of Life Activists (ACLA). A court in the US found that the anti-abortion group went beyond free speech in listing the names and addresses of abortion doctors on a website called the "Nuremberg Files".

ACLA claimed that the website merely collated information on doctors for possible use in legal action against those involved in abortion. The court disagreed and viewed the site as threatening, especially as two of the listed doctors were subsequently killed. Black lines were put through their pictures on the site.

Although the ACLA website did not explicitly call for violence against these doctors, the court took into account the history of "pro-life" violence against abortion doctors

The Polish Government has twice asked its American counterparts to close down Redwatch.
On both occasions the site was removed.


** "DreamHost strongly believes in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, which guarantees its citizens freedom of speech and freedom of the press, among other things (both of which can apply to websites).
We made a business decision long ago to value freedom of speech above any potential offense someone might take over the content of a site hosted by us."