If you and others like you had their way Don, this thread would not exist, I would have been intimidated by the landuage you and others used to me very early on.
As it is, the issues have been aired and the discussion is in stalemate.   The important thing is that all views have been voiced and anyone reading this thread can form a reasoned opinion.

People must be made aware that to hold a contrary view of any issue does not necessarily make one a (bigot,homophobe, pervert, or any other term of abuse that can be used to scupper discussion).
That is indeed "Orwellian"


So you see Little Hawk's point was very relevant!