Malcolm, I never said Steve was the only perseon etc etc. But the constant Mudcat disease of tearing down things because they are not exactly as you would have done them, or do not speak specifically and directly to your narrow little perspective, or even of attacking things of which you have no direct experience, has got very old.

We did an event that was hugely successful. One person left after about 20 mins because it didn't work for him, but instead of talking about the event's positive side, and where we go from here, we are caught in the usual Mudcat circular arguments in which we keep trying to engage those whose experience of something is either very limited, or non-existent (how many people have expressed an opinion on this thread who weren't even there, for heaven's sake?) But god knows lack of knowledge doesn't stop many Mudcatters from having an opinion, and certainly from expressing it.

You're right, John - this thread was a complete waste of time, but not for the reasons you cited. But well done being one of those who has successfully derailed it.

I'm done - this is an important issue and I have people in the real world to talk to.

Thanks for everyone who DID come to the FAF launch, and who helped to make it such a success.