God, I am getting confused. The 'Victoria' which I said was in Canning Place was in fact the Custom House which LesB mentions. That particular venue however was not part of the Mersey Traditional Gathering chain, which started at the St Johns Victoria, subsequently moving to the Trawler on the Dock Road, before running out of steam at the Hare and Hounds.

Some years later, people started congregating in the Custom House on a Thursday night. No songs or music, just a social get together. Then, I think, Frank MacCall decided to start a singaround there on a Saturday, which was the night on which the MTG used to meet.

When the Custom House closed, the pub management and the session moved to a pub which was universally known as Oily Joe's, being just round the corner from Oil Street. I think the proper name of that one must have been the Victoria.

Now, if I could only remember where I put the alzheimers tablets.