I think that it's grossly arrogant and condescending to characterise the thoughtful, knowledgeable, evidence-based contributions of Jim Carrol and Jack Campin as 'flapping about'!

Some of us need to learn that just because we've had a 'great thought' it doesn't automatically become a 'great fact'.Surely the armchair, make-it-up as you go along theorisers among us are the true 'flappers': where's your evidence?!!

Sits back and waits for the inevitable abuse ...