No Gervase,

We're down to brass tacks here. Or chicken and egg stuff.

Sections of the British public are brainwashed with this Daily Mail / Telegraph bollocks. You can discuss and debate with some people who, when they realise that the truth is rather different to the perception, they put aside the propaganda and join in the real debate.

Sorry, Gervase, but Keith stands as an exemplar of the active instigating and propagating of the brainwashing and misinformation - he has done nothing but actively to seek and then to twist and distort information to suit his preconception or his agenda, whatever it is, and to try to package the nonsense up and sell it to others.