Yes, Constantine should have gone back where he came from, or something. He was the beginning of the end.

I agree that dogma approaches religion a lot more closely than not believing in anything godlike does.

But you do not *have* to have faith to be an atheist. Any sensible person can look at the mountain of replicable data that requires no supernatural explanation, and at the belief in the supernatural in the total absence of actual replicable data, and conclude that there is no need for a supernatural explanation. See, no faith involved!

CarolC, what replicable data do you know of that actually is evidence *for* the supernatural? I don't know of any, at all. So you have a mountain on one side and nothing on the other, and you think it takes faith* to decide that the other is therefore much more likely to be wrong?

Also, do not confuse disbelief in yes with belief in no.