Sorry Lizzie, I guess that because I "do not have England running through every part of me", my blood being far to diluted by Russian, Polish and Welsh ancestry I will never understand or be able to explain to anyone who is English, through and through, what I am trying to get across. My fault for thinking otherwise.

But if you cannot, or willfully will not, see the the world of difference between The real England is not that of Willberforce or Churchill or any politician and "Churcill is not PART of England" then I cannot see the point of continuing the conversation at all. Considering that it has nothing to do with the question asked in the opening post it is no great loss.

Better all round if we stick to our own parts of England, be they past, present or future.

DeG