Kevin, I understand all that.

I am using "Liberal" in the classical sense. Most thoughtful American liberals hew pretty closely to that definition. Although, within recent years, because many American politicians who style themselves as "liberals" could be more properly referred to as "centrist," so those who correctly regard themselves as classical liberals tend to refer to themselves as "Progressives."

The essential tenets of classical liberalism are fairly succinctly spelled out in the early paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence, and further delineated in the Bill of Rights (first ten amendments to the Consitution).

Dennis Kucinich is a classical Liberal. But most Americans think of him as a Progressive.

I am not talking about what might be called "relative liberalism," where a conservative may be slightly more in favor of certain classical Liberal ideas than most of his conservative colleagues. In the relativistic context, if one were given to irony, one could refer to the storm trooper who, out of a rare spasm of humanity, allows someone to escape rather than hauling them off to the concentration camp as a "liberal fascist."

But I don't think that's what Ake is talking about. He's trying to say that liberals ARE fascists.

In the same way he's trying to claim that all homosexuals are pedophiles.

Talk about Orwellian double-speak!!

Don Firth